Three World Ages Someone told me that, if there were a first earth age, I might be able to prove it by using the book of Job, but to use Jeremiah 4:23 as evidence that Genesis 1:2 is referring to a "first flood" that we shall call "Satan's Flood". I will try one more time, the last time. If you don't get it, so be it. Points to be made: 1) how many floods were there? The waters hasted away! Genesis 1:2 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV Psalms 104:5-7 5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. 6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. 7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. KJV 2. The waters of Noah's flood took a hundred and fifty days to abate. Genesis 8:1-3 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged; 2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; 3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. KJV 3. The book of Isaiah tells us that God established it, he created it not in vain! Wait a minute, he established it, he created it not in vain! Why does Genesis 1:2 say that the earth was without form and void. In Hebrew "was without form and void" means BECAME EMPTY and DESTROYED. Isaiah 45:18 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. KJV Genesis 1:2 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV This must mean that the world was created perfectly, and in Genesis it BECAME EMPTY and DESTROYED, then and only then did the six days of "the foundations of this world took place.” was: OT:1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare OT:1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): KJV - beacon, altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, follow, happen, have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, use. without form: OT:8414 tohuw (to'-hoo); from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain: KJV - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness. void: OT:922 bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: KJV - emptiness, void. John 17:24 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. KJV Look at this! Wow, "he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world" He has chosen them BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD! Gee, I guess WE existed before the world was founded! Without blame! What could I be blamed for if I never existed before the foundation of the world? Maybe there was some sort of overthrow in the world? Ephesians 1:4-6 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. KJV Let's check out that overthrow garbage, what do I mean saying such a thing? foundation: NT:2602 (Ephesians 1:4) katabole (kat-ab-ol-ay'); from NT:2598; a deposition, i.e. founding; figuratively, conception: KJV - conceive, foundation.   NT:2598 kataballo (kat-ab-al'-lo); from NT:2596 and NT:906; to throw down: KJV - cast down, lay Well lookie here, that number 2598 comes right out and says it: "TO THROW DOWN", "CAST DOWN". Isn't that something, then we did (possibly) something at some time (that we have no knowledge of today) that we need to be without blame, and be born in the flesh? Maybe, to see where our true faith lies? Maybe? Jeremiah 4:23-27 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. KJV I am all messed up now, this verse Jeremiah 4:23, that reads almost like that Genesis 1:2. I wonder if God may be describing what happened before Genesis 1:2 just as he did in Isaiah 45:18? Now wait a minute, didn't that truth_child guy keep telling me earlier that eight souls were saved. He said that over and over again, how can that be true if "there was no man?" That just doesn't work with Noah's flood. It clearly says that there was an "ark with eight people" I read that in the Bible. Well, I guess that this flood where "there was no man" must be a different flood from Noah's flood where the Bible says that eight souls were saved: 1 Peter 3:20 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. KJV Now wait a darned minute. These 2 Peter 3:5-7 say something that I ain't never heard in Church! 2 Peter 3:5-7 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. KJV THE WORLD PERISHED? But how about Noah? Eight souls were saved, and that doesn't match up with "there was no man". Believe it or don't, these are the facts. Conclusion: there MUST have been TWO FLOODS, that is the only way that all these verses can be made to work together. Cool.